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Old 20-09-2004, 00:12
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Smile Logic of some christians.... not all!!

Assalamoalykum and hello to all

a good brother of mine sent me this today, and i thought of sharing it with you....inshaAllah it will educate us in a light manner.

wassalam , bye

lubna


One Hundred Christian Proofs Of Islamic Falsehood

Demijan Omeragic


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1) ARGUMENT FROM DISAGREEMENT

I believe that the Bible is the word of God.
The Qur'ân disagrees with the Bible.
Therefore, Islam is false.
2) ARGUMENT FROM ACTIONS OF PROPHETS

Muhammad killed.
Jesus in the Bible did not.
[Christian ignores the time-period & place the Prophets lived in, as well as other Prophets who killed, and only compares the Biblical Jesus with Muhammad]
Therefore, Islam is false.
3) ARGUMENT FROM DIFFERENCE IN SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS OF PROPHETS

Jesus in the Bible knew of his fate and his death.
Muhammad did not.
[Christian ignores the purpose of certain Prophets, as well as all other Prophets who did not know what would happen to them, and only compares Biblical Jesus with Muhammad]
Therefore, Islam is false.
4) ARGUMENT FROM DIFFERENCE IN VIEWS

Islam teaches that Jesus was a messenger.
Christianity teaches that Jesus was the Son of God.
Therefore, Islam is false.
5) ARGUMENT FROM I DON'T THINK GOD WOULD ALLOW THIS

Islam teaches that believers will have maximum pleasure in Paradise; which includes sexual pleasure among other things.
I don't think that God would allow sexual pleasure in Paradise.
Therefore, Islam is false.
6) ARGUMENT FROM OBLIGATIONS

Muslims are obligated to pray to God 5 times a day while bowing down and reciting from the Qur'ân.
Muslims are also obligated to fast during the Holy Month of Ramadan.
Islam teaches other things which are simply too hard to stick to, and also unnecessary in my opinion. I would rather accept Jesus and be saved, because it's easier.
Therefore, Islam is false.
7) ARGUMENT FROM MY PARENTS (AKA PARENTAL ARGUMENT)

My parents are Christians.
My parents can't be wrong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
7) ARGUMENT FROM SIZE

Christianity is currently (12/15/03) larger than Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
8) ARGUMENT FROM TERRORISM (I)

Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist.
Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim.
Obviously, Islam must teach terrorism.
Therefore, Islam is false.
9) ARGUMENT FROM TERRORISM (II)

The events of September 11th 2001 were committed by terrorists.
Those terrorists claimed to be Muslim.
Obviously, they must have followed Islamic teachings.
Consequently, Islam must teach terrorism.
Therefore, Islam is false.
10) ARGUMENT FROM CERTAIN TEACHINGS OF ISLAM

Islam teaches that there are beings that live among us, which we cannot see. They are called Djinns.
I think this is nonsense.
Therefore, Islam is false.
11) ARGUMENT FROM JESUS' DEATH

Islam teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross.
Because this idea makes me feel uncomfortable, Islam's claims are lies.
Therefore, Islam is false.
12) ARGUMENT FROM IMPOSSIBLE CORRUPTION

Islam teaches that the Bible has been very altered and changed throughout history; in other words, corrupted.
The Bible makes sense to me.
Therefore, Islam is false.
13) ARGUMENT FROM ERRORS OF THE QUR'AN VS. ERRORS OF THE BIBLE

The contradicting parts of the Bible cannot be taken literally. You must read between the lines and analyze deeper meaning of the verses. You also need to consider minor errors in translation & be careful that you do not misunderstand the context.
However, I will take the contradicting parts of the Qur'ân as literally as I can.
This will cause the Qur'ân to look very contradictory, and my Bible to look close to error-free.
This makes me feel very good.
Therefore, Islam is false.
14) ARGUMENT FROM DIVISIONS

There are 3 divisions of Islam, the Sunni Muslims, Shi'ites, and Sufis.
[Christian ignores the 15+ divisions within Christianity]
Therefore, Islam is false.
15) ARGUMENT FROM JIHAD IN MEDIA

Muslims claim that Jihad means to struggle.
The media portrays it as Holy War, a.k.a killing nonbelievers.
I refuse to study which interpretation is the correct one, because I trust the media.
Therefore, Islam is false.
16) ARGUMENT FROM WORKS VS FAITH

Islam teaches that God's forgiveness can be attained by sincere repentance & great deeds in this life.
I refuse to believe this, because if it is true I cannot do whatever I want anymore.
Therefore, accepting Jesus is the only way, because it makes me happy and gives me a great life.
Therefore, Islam is false.
17) ARGUMENT FROM CHURCH DOCTRINE

Whenever I encounter contradicting verses regarding Jesus' divinity, I remind myself of the Trinity and feel very enlightened.
Even though I cannot find the Trinity in the Bible, the Church teaches me that it's correct.
I have gone to Church since I was a little boy.
Because of that, I believe the Church, and it must be true.
Obviously, Christianity must be true because of #4, which supports that it is the religion of God.
Islam claims that the Trinity is a lie.
Therefore, Islam is false.
18) ARGUMENT FROM MY PASTOR SAYS

Our pastor says that the Qur'ân is from the devil.
Therefore, Islam is false.
19) ARGUMENT FROM POLYGAMY

Islam teaches polygamy.
Even though it is taught in the Bible, you have to read between the lines and also find other verses which contradict it.
I also disagree with polygamy, personally.
I do not think God would allow polygamy.
Therefore, Islam is false.
20) ARGUMENT FROM ALLAH IS A MOON GOD

Robert Morey claims that Allah means "Moon God" and that Muslims worship a moon god.
The Qur'ân contradicts this claim.
Arabic dictionaries contradict this claim as well.
Since "Allah" means God in Arabic, and is found in the Arabic version of the Christian Bible, this would mean that I am worshipping a moon god as well.
I do not like this idea.
However, Robert Morey has a website where he posts articles against Islam.
He must be an intellectual.
Therefore, all or most of his claims must be true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
21) ARGUMENT FROM ISLAM IS FALSE (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #1)

Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
22) ARGUMENT FROM INSULT

A Muslim insulted me once.
Therefore, Islam is false.
23) ARGUMENT FROM SADDAM HUSSEIN

Saddam Hussein is an evil man.
He claims to be Muslim.
Islam must be evil.
Therefore, Islam is false.
24) ARGUMENT FROM DREAMS

I had a dream that Jesus came to me and told me that I am saved.
Therefore, Islam is false.
25) ARGUMENT FROM DREAMS (II)

I had a dream that Jesus came to me and told me that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
26) ARGUMENT FROM UNFAIR CHALLENGE OF QUR'AN

The Qur'ân challenges non-believers to produce a surah like it, if it's not from God.
I cannot reproduce it. However, that is because I think the challenge is unfair.
Maybe if I keep saying that the challenge is unfair & ridiculous, nobody will care as to why I can't meet the challenge.
Therefore, Islam is false.
27) ARGUMENT FROM HEALING

My grandfather was Christian.
He was sick, and he prayed very much every day for his health.
He regained his health.
Therefore, Islam is false.
28) ARGUMENT FROM CHILDHOOD

Since I was a little kid, I was raised as a Christian.
Therefore, Islam is false.
29) ARGUMENT FROM RAISING THE DEAD

Jesus in my Bible raised the dead.
Muhammad did not.
[Christian ignores the fact that each prophet has his own purpose]
Therefore, Islam is false.
30) ARGUMENT FROM DISREGARDING SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION IN THE QUR'AN

[Muslim presents much information from the Qur'ân which supports modern science]
[Christian sees it as a coincidence / bad interpretation / ignores it]
[Muslim presents scientific errors in the Bible]
[Christian responds by saying that those verses cannot be taken literally]
Therefore, Islam is false.
31) ARGUMENT FROM THE QUR'AN IS SUPERNATURAL BUT NOT DIVINE

I agree that the Qur'ân presents very accurate scientific information.
But the Qur'ân tells me that Jesus is not the Son of God.
Therefore, Islam is false.
32) ARGUMENT FROM FREEDOM

I smoke, drink and have sex with different partners every night. My sins are forgiven because I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord & Saviour.
Islam would not allow me to do this.
Therefore, Islam does not give me as much freedom as Christianity.
Therefore, Islam is false.
33) ARGUMENT FROM HEALTH

I am very healthy.
I am a Christian.
Therefore, Islam is false.
34) ARGUMENT FROM VAMPIRE MOVIES

Vampires in movies are harmed by coming in contact with a cross.
Therefore, Islam is false.
35) ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL OPINION

Muslims claim that Islam is true.
I think that is ridiculous.
Therefore, Islam is false.
36) ARGUMENT FROM "WE" & "US" IN THE QUR'AN

The Qur'ân sometimes talks in the form of "We" such as "We created the Heavens."
The Qur'ân is therefore talking of a plural form of God, which automatically proves the Trinity, and that Islam is bogus.
Therefore, Islam is false.
37) ARGUMENT FROM NO RESEARCH NECESSARY

I think the Bible shows me the complete truth.
My parents are Christian. So are their parents, and their parents' parents were Christian as well.
Since the Qur'ân contradicts my Holy Bible, it is obvious to conclude that it cannot be the word of God.
Therefore it must be the word of Muhammad, the false Prophet.
No matter what it teaches, or what its scripture is like, it cannot be true, because of points 1 through 3.
Therefore, Islam is false.
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47.29 . Or do those in whose hearts is a disease deem that Allah will not bring to light their ( secret ) hates?
47.30 . And if We would , We could show them unto thee ( Muhammad ) so that thou shouldst know them surely by their marks . And thou shalt know them by the burden of their talk . And Allah knoweth your deeds . .



Nay! We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it does smash it’s brains and thus it perishes. And woe be to you for what you describe (with your tongues). Qur'an 21:18
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38) ARGUMENT FROM CONVERTS

There are some people that converted from Islam to Christianity.
The converts from Christianity to Islam are stupid, misinformed, uneducated, and/or led astray by Satan and should be completely disregarded.
Therefore, Islam is false.
39) ARGUMENT FROM CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS INTERNET SITES

There are websites on the Internet created by Christians that claim that Islam is false.
Since the material on the websites is from Christians against Muslims, it must be true.
Some or most of it is not worth analyzing or even reading. Its truthfulness is obvious.
Therefore, Islam is false.
40) ARGUMENT FROM ISLAMIC APOLOGETICS INTERNET SITES

There are websites on the Internet created by Muslims that claim that Christianity is false.
Since the material on the websites is from Muslims against Christians, it must be false.
Some or most of it is not worth analyzing or even reading. Its falsehood is obvious.
Therefore, Islam is false.
41) ARGUMENT FROM I DON'T CARE

I don't care what Islam says about Jesus. Jesus died for you and he loves you. Accept him!
Therefore, Islam is false.
42) ARGUMENT FROM I AM RIGHT & YOU ARE WRONG

I am right.
You are wrong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
43) ARGUMENT FROM INTENTIONAL LIES, DECEIT, & STUPIDITY OR POSSIBLE RETARDATION COMBINED WITH LACK OF MENTAL CAPACITY (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #2)

I want to make Islam look bad. Islam is false.
That's why I ignore specific Muslim refutals to my arguments, and simply repeat them many times. Islam is false, pure and simple.
What I can answer, I answer. What I can't, I ignore. I shouldn't really pay attention to anything Muslims say, because remember? Islam is false.
With this I succeed in making Islam look bad, and Christianity look good. Islam deserves to look bad, since it disagrees with my Holy Book. That's why it's false. However, I avoid debates just because the people I would debate are Muslims who are deceived by demons and are not worthy of debate. I will therefore hide behind messageboards and reply to only what I can reply to. The rest I will ignore, and of course: repeat my statements many times. It makes me look like an intellectual. And intellectuals know that Islam is false.
I lack the intellgence to understand how stupid I come out when I do these things, but hey - winning people to Christ is a bonus, no matter what the means are.
If I take verses out of context and twist them around, while asking ridiculous questions, and insulting Islam as much as I can - it must be that Jesus intended for me to do this. For example; I will repeatedly ask if muslims should kill me because I'm an infidel. Then I will repeatedly state that Muhammad killed, without giving any background on it. After that, I will post verses from the Qur'ân that are violent and make Islam look like a brutal religion full of terror. If someone adds the proper context and/or explains the verses I posted, I will ignore that, and go to other things, such as sexual pleasure in heaven, and so on; you see my point. Islam is false.
And really, I mean come on, it is so extremely and painfully obvious that Islam is false. I wouldn't have to do any of these things to prove that really, but it can't hurt. The more souls I convert to Christ, the better bonus I receive from Jesus in heaven (I hope).
Christiantiy is true. I know this, I absolutely do. I know a hundred percent that Christianity is true. And I apologize to Muslims, I love you, I don't want you to go to hell, please accept Jesus. Islam is false.
Another thing I would like to say is that I only debate naive people so I can look like an enlightened follower of Jesus Christ. Whenever certain Muslim scholars challenge me for debate, I avoid it in some way, and when they are not looking I talk trash about them behind their back, and play Mr. Intellect with my Christian peers on message boards.
Muslims - I love you. But you will go to hell. I know I shouldn't judge who is going to hell, but I will do so anyways.
Jesus loves you.
I believe in my Bible, but I am not completely certain as to why I do so.
It is irrelevant.
Why? Because it just is.
Christianity is the truth.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY REGARDING MY CLAIMS.
Therefore, Islam is false.
44) ARGUMENT FROM ORIGINAL SIN

The Original Sin doctrine makes sense to me.
It isn't taught in Islam though.
Therefore, Islam is false.
45) ARGUMENT FROM BECAUSE (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #3)

Why is Islam false? Because it is.
Therefore, Islam is false.
46) ARGUMENT FROM SATISFACTION

I feel satisfied with believing in Christianity.
Therefore, Islam is false.
47) ARGUMENT FROM LITERACY OF PROPHETS

Muhammad was illiterate.
Jesus was not illiterate.
I will ignore the fact that Muhammad being illiterate produced an extraordinarily amazing work known as the Qur'ân, which is known for it's amazing arabic, style, preservation, structure, and scientific information. And, I will once again, continue to compare the Biblical Jesus with Muhammad regardless of the time and place they lived in.
I will also once again ignore fact that each prophet is supposed to have his own purpose.

Therefore, Islam is false.
48) ARGUMENT FROM I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE

Islam became very obvious at some point in my research.
However, if I converted to Islam my parents would be in shock, and I would have to debate them over and over again.
I'd rather cross my fingers and hope in Christianity.
I do not want to believe that Christianity is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
49) ARGUMENT FROM I DISLIKE

I dislike the Five Pillars of Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
50) ARGUMENT FROM ANGER

I HATE ISLAM!
Therefore, Islam is false.
51) ARGUMENT FROM ATTORNEY-GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT

John Ashcroft opposes Islam.
John Ashcroft is the Attorney-General.
Therefore, Islam is false.
52) ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE

The word "Allah" doesn't mean God.
I don't care what dictionaries, Arabic professors, or the Christian Bible in Arabic says.
Therefore, Islam is false.
53) ARGUMENT FROM DESPERATION (see #77)

F***k you.
Therefore, Islam is false.
54) ARGUMENT FROM MARRIAGE TO AISHA

Muhammad was married to a 6-year old girl named Aisha.
God would never allow this to happen.
Muhammad was the founder of Islam however.
Therefore, Islam is false.
55) ARGUMENT FROM COME ON (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #4)

Islam is false.
I mean, come on...Islam is simply not true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
56) ARGUMENT FROM FAILED CONVERSION ATTEMPTS

My grandfather told me how his Muslim friends tried to convert him to Islam, and failed.
Therefore, Islam is false.
57) ARGUMENT FROM STRONG FAITH

My faith in Christ is very strong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
58) ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF INTEREST

I firmly believe I know the truth.
Therefore I am not interested in studying other religions such as Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
59) ARGUMENT FROM WOMEN HEAD-COVERING

Islam teaches women to be covered.
Even though the Bible teaches this in some verses too, it is not enough to establish it firmly in Christianity. Either way, you really have to read other verses which contradict this & learn how to read between the lines, so that you realize that head covering is wrong.
I don't think that God would want women to cover their head.
Therefore, Islam is false.
60) ARGUMENT FROM JESUS LOVES ME

The Bible says that Jesus loves me.
Therefore, Islam is false.
61) ARGUMENT FROM BILL MAHER

Bill Maher makes fun of Islam.
He is pretty famous.
Therefore, Islam is false.
62) ARGUMENT FROM SUPPOSED EVIDENTIALITY

It is so obvious to me that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
63) ARGUMENT FROM CIRCUMCISION

Islam teaches for babies to be circumcized.
Even though the Bible teaches this, it is later being nullified by contradicting verse(s). You should also read between the lines to get the deeper meaning of the Bible, and you will realize that circumcision is wrong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
64) ARGUMENT FROM PORK

Islam is against the eating of pork.
Even though the Bible teaches this, it is later being nullified by contradicting verse(s). You should also read between the lines to get the deeper meaning of the Bible, and you will realize that there is nothing wrong with eating pork.
(I also love pork, personally)
Therefore, Islam is false.
65) ARGUMENT FROM ABORTION

Islam is against the killing of babies.
I am a Democrat.
Therefore, Islam is false.
66) ARGUMENT FROM ALCOHOL

Islam says that alcohol is extremely bad for me.
I love alcohol.
Therefore, Islam is false.
67) ARGUMENT FROM DISAGREEMENT WITH TRYING TO REFRAIN FROM SINNING

Islam teaches me to refraing from sinning & keep doing good deeds as much as I can.
Christianity tells me that my sins are washed away by Jesus Christ.
I like #2 better.
Therefore, Islam is false.
68) ARGUMENT FROM HOWARD STERN

Howard Stern once said that America should throw a nuclear bomb on a Muslim nation.
Obviously, he does not like Islam.
Consequently, he must have very good knowledge of Islam to make such a harsh statement.
Islam must be evil.
Therefore, Islam is false.
69) ARGUMENT FROM WOMEN IN ISLAM

Because the Taliban disrespects women, I assume that Islam teaches that.
However, I am not interested in any verses or hadith quotes that praise women and give specific instructions to men on how to treat them good.
Therefore, Islam is false.
70) ARGUMENT FROM WAGING WAR IN THE NAME OF GOD

I heard that the terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 did this act in the name of Allah (God in arabic).
They claimed to be Muslims.
Therefore, Islam is false.
71) ARGUMENT FROM IT DOESN'T MATTER

Islam says it is the truth.
It doesn't matter though, I was taught to follow Christianity.
Therefore, Islam is false.
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47.29 . Or do those in whose hearts is a disease deem that Allah will not bring to light their ( secret ) hates?
47.30 . And if We would , We could show them unto thee ( Muhammad ) so that thou shouldst know them surely by their marks . And thou shalt know them by the burden of their talk . And Allah knoweth your deeds . .



Nay! We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it does smash it’s brains and thus it perishes. And woe be to you for what you describe (with your tongues). Qur'an 21:18
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72) ARGUMENT FROM REPEATING THE SAME MATERIAL UNTIL THE MUSLIM SIDE STOPS RESPONDING, MAKING YOU LOOK LIKE A WINNER (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #5)

[Christian:] Islam is false.
[Muslim:] Why do you think so?
[Christian:] It's so obvious!!!
[Christian presents argument #1]
[Muslim responds to argument #1 with a refutal]
[Christian ignores Muslim response to argument #1 and presents arguments #2, 3, and 4]
[Muslim responds to #1 and 2, and 3, and 4]
[Christian responds by repeating the statement "Islam is false." while presenting 3 more arguments; #5, 6, and 7]
[Muslim responds and refutes every argument presented]
[Christian ignores the refutations and starts asking questions one after another]
[Muslim answers question]
[Christian ignores Muslim's answer & presents another question]
[Muslim answers & refutes]
[Christian ignores, and repeats statement "Islam is false."]
[Muslim gives up]
[Christian starts with something similar to the following] Please. You are deceived by Satan. I don't want you to go to hell. Jesus is God, and he loves you.
[Muslim wonders why Christian ignored his responses and just kept going]
[Muslim comes to the conclusion that Christian was too uninformed to answer]
[Christian:] Islam is false.
[Christian feels like a winner]
Therefore, Islam is false.
73) ARGUMENT FROM SUPPOSED UNIMPORTANCE

It is not important whether the Qur'ân contains many scientific facts or whether its Arabic style is amazing.
What matters is that it teaches that Jesus was a messenger of God, and not the Son of God.
Therefore, Islam is false.
74) ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN TEENAGE WISDOM

Islam is like for terrorists and stuff.
Those people like bombed us.
Therefore, Islam is false.
75) ARGUMENT FROM LOOKING KNOWLEDGABLE BY DEMANDING DEBATE & THEN BACKING OFF OR AVOIDING CERTAIN POINTS OF THE DISCUSSION

Stop talking about Christianity! Let's talk about Islam!
[Christian presents Muslim with many arguments]
[Muslim responds to everything]
[Christian responds to some]
[Muslim responds again, to everything]
[Christian responds to some points]
[Muslim responds again, to everything]
[Christian ignores some / most points, and makes a statement on how unknowledgable the muslim is]
[Muslim asks why Christian has not been answering to every point he presented, since the Muslim has been addressing every argument fully]
[Christian ends the "debate" with our popular statement full of wisdom, knowledge, and enlightenment:] ISLAM IS FALSE.
Christian feels intellectual, and feels like a winner.
Therefore, Islam is false.
76) ARGUMENT FROM LOOKING KNOWLEDGABLE BY CHALLENGING FOR DEBATE ALTHOUGH KNOWING THE OPPOSITE PARTY IS NOT PRESENT / CANNOT RESPOND WHICH RESULTS IN MAKING IT SEEM AS IF THE MUSLIM PARTY IS SCARED TO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE

[Situation:] Person has been banned from a chat room / discussion forum.
[Christian finds out the person cannot debate because they are absent or have been banned]
[Christian:] I don't think you are so tough! Let's talk about Islam! Come on! I'm waiting...
[No answer, because Muslim is absent / cannot respond]
[Christian is happy because he achieved the effect of making the Muslim party look like it was afraid to accept the challenge]
Christian feels like a winner.
Therefore, Islam is false.
77) ARGUMENT FROM VULGARITY (see #53)

F***k Islam!
Therefore, Islam is false.
78) ARGUMENT FROM DISRESPECT

I think Islam is stupid, and so are you because you are a Muslim, and your family as well.
Therefore, Islam is false.
79) ARGUMENT FROM JEWS

Islam says that some Jews have hatred in their hearts.
I do not care about researching the reason for this claim, nor do I care about history, facts, or anything else that might support this claim in some way.
I automatically interpret this as the following: Hate every jew & kill them.
Therefore, Islam is false.
80) ARGUMENT FROM SPEAKING IN TONGUES

My cousin is a Christian.
Sometimes he would get into a special trance and speak a strange language which he claims was given to him from God directly.
Therefore, Islam is false.
81) ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF PROOF

You cannot prove beyond a doubt that Islam is the true religion of God.
[Christian does not ask himself if he can do the same for his own religion]
Therefore, Islam is false.
82) ARGUMENT FROM ANSWERING ISLAM'S WRITING STYLE

Every anti-Islamic article written by the Answering Islam team is written with exceptionally good spelling, grammar and punctuation.
They are also very polite (on their website).
Therefore, Islam is false.
83) ARGUMENT FROM SELF-ASSERTION OF ISLAMIC FALSEHOOD

Whenever I start questioning Christianity and start thinking about Islam at all, I go to anti-Islamic websites and read them many times.
This makes me feel very good.
Therefore, Islam is false.
84) ARGUMENT FROM ACTIONS OF CERTAIN ISLAMIC STATES (AKA THOMAS CROWNE ARGUMENT)

Certain Islamic States treat women like dirt and kill anybody who is not a Muslim.
I think that Islamic States must reflect Islamic teachings.
Therefore, Islam is false.
85) ARGUMENT FROM ENLIGHTENMENT

I had a vision of Jesus when I heard a voice I believe to be directly from God telling me that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
86) ARGUMENT FROM BOOKS

There are books that oppose Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
87) ARGUMENT FROM FASTEST-GROWING RELIGION & SECOND-LARGEST RELIGION DOES NOT MEAN TRUE RELIGION

As of today (12/15/03), Islam is the second-largest religion & fastest-spreading as well.
However, fastest-spreading & second-largest does not mean that it is the true religion. For example; people were making many mistakes throughout history that they realized were ridiculous later in the future.
[Christian ignores that the exact same thing can be said about Christianity being the largest religion]
Therefore, Islam is false.
88) ARGUMENT FROM HUMOUR

Many Christians joke about Islam a lot.
Therefore, Islam is false.
89) ARGUMENT FROM QUOTATIONS

I read a quote where a Muslim said that he would kill every Christian if he had the opportunity to do so.
I see this Muslim as reflecting the whole of Islamic teachings.
Therefore, Islam is false.
90) ARGUMENT FROM SUPPOSED KILLING OF UNBELIEVERS (AKA ALI SINA ARGUMENT)

Islam teaches to kill anybody who is not a Muslim.
I don't need anything to back this statement up because every anti-Islamic Christian says it is true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
91) ARGUMENT FROM DIVINITY OF JESUS

Islam teaches that Jesus was not divine.
Christianity teaches that Jesus was divine.
[Christian ignores the fact that Islam does not equal Christianity, and the Muslim belief on Biblical corruption and/or unreliability]
Therefore, Islam is false.
92) ARGUMENT FROM RESURRECTION OF CHRIST (AKA WHERE ARE THE BONES OF JESUS? ARGUMENT)

You won't find the bones of Jesus Christ. That is because he was resurrected and raised up.
[Christian ignores Muslim belief that Jesus was saved and raised into heaven]
Therefore, Islam is false.
93) ARGUMENT FROM FASTING

Islam teaches Muslims to fast during the month of Ramadan.
I do not think fasting is healthy.
Therefore, Islam is false.
94) ARGUMENT FROM SEXUAL RESTRICTIONS

Islam forbids anal sexual intercourse.
I do not like that.
Therefore, Islam is false.
95) ARGUMENT FROM SELF-DEFENSE

Islam teaches me to defend myself if someone attacks me.
Jesus told me to turn the other cheek.
[Christian ignores the fact that Islam does not equal Christianity, and the muslim belief on Biblical corruption and/or unreliability]
It doesn't matter what I personally would do. I just don't think that God wants us to defend ourselves.
Therefore, Islam is false.
96) ARGUMENT FROM SLAVERY

The Bible's Old Testament promotes slavery.
The Qur'ân teaches me to free slaves.
I like slavery though.
Therefore, Islam is false.
97) ARGUMENT FROM PEER PRESSURE

Islam was very obvious to me that it was the true religion at one point.
However, parents, relatives, and friends would never forgive me if I converted.
Therefore, Islam is false.
98) ARGUMENT FROM MANNERS

Islam teaches good manners.
I do not think good manners are necessary.
Therefore, Islam is false.
99) ARGUMENT FROM ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF THEIR TRUTHFULNESS (AKA ANN COULTER ARGUMENT)

Ann Coulter once said on TV that the founder of Islam, Muhammad, was a terrorist.
She did not present anything to back this statement up but she wrote a lot of books about many interesting things.
Therefore, Islam is false.
100) ARGUMENT FROM BATTLES

Muslims say that Islam is a religion of peace.
However, there were many battles in the chronology of Islam.
I find it unnecessary to study Islamic teachings or to research the background and reason for these battles and will simply, out of pure stupidity, conclude that Islam is a religion of war and a false religion.
Therefore, Islam is false.
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47.29 . Or do those in whose hearts is a disease deem that Allah will not bring to light their ( secret ) hates?
47.30 . And if We would , We could show them unto thee ( Muhammad ) so that thou shouldst know them surely by their marks . And thou shalt know them by the burden of their talk . And Allah knoweth your deeds . .



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Salaams sister,

I am not convinced that this helps either to inform people about what Islaam actually teaches, or the cause of Dawah.

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waalykum assalam br. green

you are entitled to your opinion, but what my purpose in posting it was, that it gives an idea to US MUSLIMS how some christains argue their case, you see, i am not all about telling other people what islam is (my dawah is both for muslims and non muslims inshaAllah ). so every now and then i try to understand christian logic and thinking too. and it helps me to comunicate with them better .

and also it will show those some christians , how we muslims see their logic so they can improve on it for the better inshaAllah.

looks like i have reached a little bit of my objective, as the 1st response comes from a muslim and not a christian.....

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Nay! We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it does smash it’s brains and thus it perishes. And woe be to you for what you describe (with your tongues). Qur'an 21:18
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waalykum assalam br. green

you are entitled to your opinion, but what my purpose in posting it was, that it gives an idea to US MUSLIMS how some christains argue their case, you see, i am not all about telling other people what islam is (my dawah is both for muslims and non muslims inshaAllah ). so every now and then i try to understand christian logic and thinking too. and it helps me to comunicate with them better .

and also it will show those some christians , how we muslims see their logic so they can improve on it for the better inshaAllah.

looks like i have reached a little bit of my objective, as the 1st response comes from a muslim and not a christian.....

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Wa alaikum as salaam sis,

The problem with the post is that its tone is by and large very sarcastic, and many Christians may well take it as an affront to their dignity/intelligence, if not a direct attack on their faith. Just imagine if a Christian put up a similar post about "some Muslims". How would you feel?

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Wa-alaikum-as-salaam:

With due respect to Br Green I don't think the post of Sr Lubna is sarcastic towards CHritians, it just relects some stereotypes on Islam, form both Christians and agnostics.

One simple example:

41) ARGUMENT FROM I DON'T CARE

I don't care what Islam says about Jesus. Jesus died for you and he loves you. Accept him!
Therefore, Islam is false.

What's sarcastic about it? What Sr Lubna's article shows us is dejavue, and not how we Muslims can or ought to respond? I don't think Sr Lubna's intention was to respond or to present manners of responding. She just showed us a contribution by a well-intentioned Br who shows us what are the typical stereotypes. We have seen these type of arguments of blind faith by Chrisitians.

So I am confused on what you think is wrong. Did you read the post at all?

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jazakallah bro tayeb for showing your support as usual, this is the blessing of being the part of a muslim community alhumdulillah.

br. green

let me tell you this that what has been said in my post is ACTUALLY the stance of some christians.
and a wise christian will try to solve the points raised.
and it is not sarcastic as much as it is taking christains false accusitions in a light manner rather than getting annoyed at them.
as for some christians getting offended by it, why dont you let them speak for themsleves? althoug if they do now, it wont be fair as you have already given them the IDEA....
as for your comment,

''Just imagine if a Christian put up a similar post about "some Muslims". How would you feel?''

i dont know which world do you live in!! i am facing the worse possible attack from them as a muslim and alhumdulillah am surviving......are you totally oblivious of what they say about muslims in their hate sites and more importantly what they are doing to the muslims all over the world! if you dont know any of those christains i will give you one most popular name BUSH.

and what you forgot is when they say things about 'some muslims' or 'islam' they are lying!! and its not my arrogance and big headedness but a FACT!!
cos Allah told us in the Quraan , the falacy of their religion!! and hence i have Allah to back my stance ALHUMDULILLAH but they dont have anything to back them up in their accusitions and lies. niether their book nor Allah!!
and if we go one step ahead they have warning of punishment from Allah in the quraan if they dont change their belief.

its about time you start thinking positively about muslims too just like you do for others.
and if a christian does come up with a claim of hurt after reading this all , i will be appologising to him straight away inshaAllah.
until then i wont base my reactions on 'what if'.!
although at this point it is hard for me to tell what is your main concern a: correcting me for my bad manners or b:worrying about the hurt of a chriastians feeling.
in the 1st case i am thankfull to you and in the 2nd case i will let a christian say it for himself.
but to hurt an ordinary christian can never be my intention inshaAllah.
may Allah guide us all to the truth and keep us safe from shaytan Ameen
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Assalamu-alaikum Sr Lubna:

It isn't a matter of supporting one side or another, it's just that your post is so clear that I find myself puzzled by Br Green, thus my question whether he read the post? The tile is clear some Christians.

From my dealings with Christians and can say I befriended for example some Catholic priests, these stereotypes that you posted do exist.

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Assalamu-alaikum Sr Lubna:

It isn't a matter of supporting one side or another, it's just that your post is so clear that I find myself puzzled by Br Green, thus my question whether he read the post? The tile is clear some Christians.

From my dealings with Christians and can say I befriended for example some Catholic priests, these stereotypes that you posted do exist.

Ma'a-salaama,
As salaam u alaikum brother Tayeb and sister lubna,

It is the tone that I take issue with, and I am not sure it serves its purpose, if its purpose is to serve the aim of promoting Islaam. It is quite clearly an attack on the stance of some Christians, and has not been posted in response to an attack on this site on our faith. Yes, sis, we do face a steady, and quite furious onslaught on our faith, including by those who are unwilling to listen or reason, and we have every right to respond in kind, an eye for an eye as you say (though it is better to show patience and argue with them with wisdom and fair preaching regardless), but that response should be to the individual or individuals who made those attacks, not to every "Christian" regardless.

We all know that there are Christians (and others) out there who take the sorts of blind, unreasoning stances outlined in this post, which is in many ways I think a caricature of how some Christians can indeed be. There are equally well Muslims who take a similarly blind, unreasoning stance in relation to Islaam. I am not attacking Islaam, it is not a question of who is right and who is wrong, it is a question of how we go about things. A Christian or Muslim who is unsure of his/her faith will often take up the blind, unreasoning stance. It is far better to argue our position with wisdom and reasoning. Rather than say this is the way it is, and it is a fact, so you better just accept it, or this is what I have been told and what you are saying is different, or I do not really like what you are saying, it sounds too much like hard work, or whatever, as some Christians or others will say in defence of their position, it is better to use reasoning. Somebody said that only someone who is certain in their faith can afford the luxury of doubting. Being a Muslim, I think Islaam is right and Christianity is wrong, but that is not the issue here, for me at least. Rather than caricature the way some Christians can be, which is rather negative, and is not I think the best way of "reaching out", would it not be better to start with something positive, to talk about things we share, and then present the way in which our stance is different and why?

Wa alaikum as salaam
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Wa-alaikum-as-salaam Br Green:

Thus Sr Lubna's title "Logic of some christians.... not all!!"

The title is self-evident. When you reach out you have to know all sides of stories and even what you can expect. So Sr Lubna's post in my humble opinion is valid.

We are all interacting with Christians all the time, principally if we live in the West. We have said here many time that we have lots in common, actually the modern civilidation owes a lot to the Islamic civilisation. We Muslims also have lots to learn. I chose to do my engineering in a Western University. My children have had Western secular education and alhamdulillah they are steadfast with our faith.

What binds Muslims so strongly with Christians more than Jews? It's the acceptance of figure of Jesus, his miraculous birth, his mother and even his return. Unlike Jews they say the Messiah (as) hasn't had his first advent!

We may discuss what's common between us and Christians if you like to start a new thread.

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brother tayeb, sorry for using the wrong word i.e 'support' .....what i really sould have said is
'' i am glad to see that you look at things with the same perspective as i do and that gives me a great confidance somehow alhumdulillah''
and its for this reason i am glad to be part of a true muslim community alhumdulillah where i can find the likeminded people and feel a sense of unity alhumdulillah.

br. green you said,

''but that response should be to the individual or individuals who made those attacks, not to every "Christian" regardless.''

my reply ,
doesnt look like you even read the subject of my post! its clearly not aimed at '' every christian''

any way i will stop going any further now inshaAllah.

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How does this post promote Islaam?

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Some Muslim Proofs Of Christian Falsehood

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I believe that the Qur'an is the Word of God.
The Bible disagrees with the Qur'an.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Islam teaches that Jesus was a messenger.
Christianity teaches that Jesus was the Son of God.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Muslims are obligated to pray to God 5 times a day while bowing down and reciting from the Qur'ân.
Muslims are also obligated to fast during the Holy Month of Ramadan.
Christianity does not teach these things.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

My parents are Muslims.
My parents can't be wrong.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

George Bush is a terrorist.
George Bush is a Christian.
Obviously, Christianity must teach that it is okay to terrorise innocent civilians.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

The people who invaded Iraq claim to be Christians.
Obviously, they must have followed Christian teachings.
Consequently, Christianity must teach that it is okay to do those things.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Christianity teaches that God and Jesus are part of a Trinity.
I think this is nonsense.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Christianity teaches that Jesus died on the cross.
Because this idea makes me feel uncomfortable, Christianity's claims are lies.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

The contradicting parts of the Qur'an cannot be taken literally. You must read between the lines and analyze deeper meaning of the verses. You also need to consider minor errors in translation & be careful that you do not misunderstand the context.
However, I will take the contradicting parts of the Bible as literally as I can.
This will cause the Bible to look very contradictory, and my Qur'an to look close to error-free.
This makes me feel very good.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

I have gone to the mosque since I was a little boy.
Because of that, I believe the imams, and it must be true.
Obviously, Islam must be true because its says it is the religion of God.

Our imam says that the Bible is from the devil.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Sheikh _______ has a website on which he proves that Christianity is false. He is a scholar, so he must be telling the truth.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Christianity is false.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

A Christian insulted me once.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Hitler was a nasty piece of work.
Hitler was a Christian.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Since I was a little kid, I was raised as a Muslim.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

I can have up to four wives. In my religion this is okay.
Christianity would not allow me to do this.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

I am very healthy.
I am a Muslim.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Christians claim that Christianity is true.
I think that is ridiculous.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

I think the Qur'an shows me the complete truth.
My parents are Muslim. So are their parents, and their parents' parents were Muslim as well.
Since the Bible contradicts my Holy Qur'an, it is obvious to conclude that it cannot be the Word of God.
Therefore it must be the word of some false Prophet.
No matter what it teaches, or what its scripture is like, it cannot be true, because of points 1 through 3.
Therefore, Christianity is false.

Shall I go on?

Wa salaams

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br. green you said,

''but that response should be to the individual or individuals who made those attacks, not to every "Christian" regardless.''

my reply ,
doesnt look like you even read the subject of my post! its clearly not aimed at '' every christian''

any way i will stop going any further now inshaAllah.

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Salaams,

Inasmuch as it is posted up to start off a thread, rather than in direct response to what somebody on this forum has said, it is a very general attack on what some Christians believe. That is my point. Imagine if somebody came to this website and posted what I have just posted above.

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